I argued about this in the old "Civilization" forum.
In no way should Israel be a Civ. Nor should any proposed Civ that was not at some time for want of a better term "Imperial". If this isn't the criterion, then we might as well have everyone and I don't believe the programmers want that.
By that I mean a civ which was militarily and culturally dominant over a large amount of territory at some time in the past.
As far as this criterion goes, the Hebrews/Israelis were historical nobodies.
However, the contribution to history of peoples like the Jews and the Scots should be recognized with the addition of "cultural figures". Civilizations that are high on culture have a better chance of obtaining one of these every so often and getting one adds a small culture bonus.
This in my view is the best way of recognizing ethnic groups who never dominated, but have nevertheless exercised a profound influence on history.
Einstein is perhaps the top candidate for one of these as is Karl Marx and so are figures of the Scottish Enlightenment like Adam Smith.
In no way should Israel be a Civ. Nor should any proposed Civ that was not at some time for want of a better term "Imperial". If this isn't the criterion, then we might as well have everyone and I don't believe the programmers want that.
By that I mean a civ which was militarily and culturally dominant over a large amount of territory at some time in the past.
As far as this criterion goes, the Hebrews/Israelis were historical nobodies.
However, the contribution to history of peoples like the Jews and the Scots should be recognized with the addition of "cultural figures". Civilizations that are high on culture have a better chance of obtaining one of these every so often and getting one adds a small culture bonus.
This in my view is the best way of recognizing ethnic groups who never dominated, but have nevertheless exercised a profound influence on history.
Einstein is perhaps the top candidate for one of these as is Karl Marx and so are figures of the Scottish Enlightenment like Adam Smith.
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